Pathfinder Kingmaker

High Council considerations

Where are we going, and how are we going to get there?

Pik has several proposals that he believes need to be seriously discussed and planned for by the High Council, and thus the Lower Council.

  • We must begin preparations for war now! Gentlemen, we have no army to speak of, simply a City Watch and Reg’s Rangers are not going to cut it. We need to devise a plan to create an army to defend our lands! I propose that we create specific units that will mesh with one another to complement each, but will be distinct in their duties.
  • Zion as already begun the plans to create a school, and I think we should continue with that and expound on it, encourage casters/apprentices to begin training with Zion and/or the Beldame (if she is willing) and even encourage relocation to our new kingdom. This Caster Unit would support their units within the army in all things Arcane be it the defense or offense. With that said, the tower would probably be the best start, lets plan to build said tower to show our seriousness.
  • We have discussed encouraging Jhod with the gathering of a flock, and I, Pik, would like to begin training those individuals with the knack for a divine purpose. This Unit would support the Army in the way of Divine guidance, healing (spells and bandages), and shoring up the ranks where possible. We could move forward with the plans to build a Cathedral within the Capitol as well Jhod already has a Temple which can serve as a second training area.
  • In the areas of Martial prowess, we should look to Reg and Anton. But I would think we obviously need the strength of a shield wall, and spearmen to shore up said defenses. We need to establish a unit, and build off of that. I believe we had discussed building a Barracks and this would be good to move forward with, but that does not necessarily stop the ability to have recruits drill on a training ground practicing Shield Wall Techniques and work in unit tactics.
  • Finally, we will turn to Kinkaid to fine tune our scouts, those who would be working in the art of stealth. I am not sure if we discussed a specific building that would attribute to this area, but even still the fact that they work in the art of the un-seen, maybe they do not need a said building and would work out of the building. Recruits could come from different sources, there seems to be a lot of trappers/hunters, who are probably well versed in Stealth due to their trade.

There may be areas I have overlooked, but an Army is NOT built overnight, and I believe we need to start now!

Respectfully,
Pik

Comments

For as much as I would like to see my academy built… Now, I believe we should work on martial prowess first. Now that we have a castle, we can build a town hall for half cost, which will enable us to build a barracks for half price. I that is our next big build, I still want to get a weapon smith, and armor smith as well. I believe they’re only 6 or 8 BP each so we can put those up quickly. Once we have the weapon, and armor smiths up, we can begone to stock pile BP’s until we can make the town hall and barracks.
After, that, put together the cathedral, to get half price on academy, to get half price on mage tower, magic shop and library.
I have been doing my research… The builds I suggest are still VERY expensive, but well worth it. Especially of we continue with the half price stuff.
Remember, at 7th level, I’m going to pick up the Leadership Feat to cover my duties in the city while I’m gone adventuring, I mean surveying the surrounding kingdom.
As to a ranger, rogue corp, I think those are also covered by the barracks as well, or maybe the “black market” covers the rogues…

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Pretty good plans! We could encourage a militia at this point to get the ball rolling.

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Anton agrees with all but the black market. Unfortunately, that will eventually build itself.

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So, Anton will have to ignore that, and maybe our Spymaster can start the Black Market rolling.

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it causes unrest…we need more of that?!?

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A Black Market costs 50BP. Stop yelling! This is why: it represents a considerable allocation – either by design or default – of productive resources (land, labor, capital, entrepreneurship). Hence its cost in BP. It does offer a number of attractive stat bonuses and item availability. All that aside, it’s way out of your price range right now.

My suggestion is that you concentrate on building your Economy stat as quickly as possible, and invest most everything you find on your expeditions back into the kingdom. Deposit currency and gems, and sell items that the city can absorb. Your characters are in charge: why do you need money of your own?

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We need money of our own because as characters, we.are paupers. I have a single +1 weapon as my personal “treasure” a 5th level character should have around 4000 – 5000 gp worth of stuff. I don’t know about the rest of the group, but OT seems pretty magic light so far.
Oh, and we don’t need unrest because we take money out of the treasury either. It’s our bloody treasury, the people don’t even need to know.

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Thom: if you take money out of the treasury, you risk adding Unrest. The system is very clear on it, and I think it makes sense. So you can’t raid the treasury without risk.

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I’m not questioning the unrest withdrawing rule. My question is, why would we want to deposit into the treasury if we pick something up during our travels…
Second question, if we deposit a magic item, is it the sale value of the item, or full value? As an example, if we deposit the +1 shield into the treasury, is it valued at 1000gp plus the cost of the shield, or 500gp plus the cost of the shield for sale value?

Would it be ok to exchange gear for gold with the treasury? Put in a 1000gp item, and withdraw 750gp in exchange? It’s still a net gain for the treasury, but is it frowned upon by the populace?
I know, I’m over thinking some of this to skirt the rules.

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How is our populace so freakin’ knowledgeable about our finances? I dont tell my kids if I pull out some money from my account. How the heck did fezhead know about our loan? I’m gonna remove some wagging tongues!!!! Am I the only one this bothers? *Kinkaid- how did this leak?*

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Hidden cameras, cell phones, GPS, Interwebs, its all out there… you didn’t know this? Back room deals and all.

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Oh, I just looked at the srd. The gp gear amount is 10,500. I wonder how much we have as a party, much less individuals.

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The Kingdom’s Treasury has what’s listed on that page. Not much in the way of hard currency. Note that the treasury, for mechanical purposes, is made up of BP, not gold. Thus, the coin listed on that page is separate from the current BP balance (16). The items are also separate from that balance.

To answer Shylock’s…wait, I mean Zion’s question about depositing items into the treasury for BP, you would need to sell them first – liquidate them and then deposit the gold (liquid assets) into the treasury. Then they’d be magically convered into BP. That’s the way it works. And if you want to play around with some fuzzy financing and sub-prime loans to yourselves, go for it…I have the system on hand, and we’ll play it from there. Zion, stacking coins into little piles and moving them around, has suggested that you could deposit gear into the treasury, and withdraw money…like a magical loan! If you liquidate the item for its sale price you could then deposit the proceeds into the treasury. Then you’d have to withdraw it, for which there is a system by which we would determine whether or not it would piss off your people.

And consider it like this: the people, as a whole, probably don’t know what the kingdom’s balance sheet looks like. They would, however, notice their leaders walking around in nice armor with magic items, and might look on that poorly when there are few jobs and little growth.

Or maybe they do know about the balance sheet. Or some of them do. If I were one of the kings, I’d be looking to the Spymaster for answers. Isn’t that his job?

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Hehe, fuzzy financing and sub-prime loans, who was making fun of Nomes and their illusions;-)

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Let’s tease this out. The gnomes are the financiers, pulling strings from behind the scenes. They help to engineer the takeover of a significant parcel of land and insert one of their own onto its new ruling council. Said gnome encourages the other leaders – ignorant of middle class skills such as finance and banking – to engage in ‘creative’ fiscal and monetary options for the future. Said kingdom invests heavily in future growth, with the ‘guarantee’ of continued, accelerated future growth as collateral. Said kingdom leverages itself to a foreign power, rationalizing the loan on the basis of the assumption of future accelerated growth and the fact that the note’s payment terms haven’t kicked in yet.

In the meantime, while existing in the grace period before the payments begin, the leaders brainstorm (dream?) over a growth plan that would see significanly accelerated building and ‘investment,’ likely requiring additional ‘creative’ financial and fiscal decisions.

“We could offer ourselves collateral for short-term loans from the treasury!” suggests one of the kings. “Items of great value could placed in the care of the kingdom, and funds withdrawn for investments! Once they prove fruitful, the treasury could only be enriched! And if those items could be used to benefit the kingdom – and all its people – their legal status as collateral would be enough…it would be foolish to actually place them in a vault…better to keep them on hand for great victories!”

Another king suggests investing in infrastructure…a temple! A trusted member of the Lower Council would be a fine steward for such investments, which would then lead to increased commerce and immigration, which would in turn contribute to a growing tax base!

“And what of the suffering of our farmers at the hands of thieves? We are a nation of so many farmers – they are our backbone! They must be supported, and their productivity harnessed to support growth…for the common good, of course.”

Their future so bright, their growth and prosperity all but guaranteed, the kings need only a short-term bridge to get there…

…and the gnomes continue to compute interest payments, and count coins…

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Dammit! My Secret is out!

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Corrections! Corrections! I just read through the kingdom building rules, again, and realized that I have made a few minor mistakes. Some of them can be remedied very easily; another may not be a mistake at all, however, I am going to go back and check.

Here’s the one that’s most obvious, and will benefit you clowns: you can deposit things of worth into the treasury, up to a limit of 4000GP per thingy. If the value (new) of an item is above that, you need to try and sell it, either locally or elsewhere. This goes for all things of value, mundane, masterwork, and magical. So all that crap listed from the Stag Lord’s fort that is not being used as equipment can count toward the treasury, and we can list it as such. Once it’s used as equipment, it doesn’t count.

Something else, too. Up to the base value of the city, which is currently 2200GP, there is a 75% chance of any magic item being available, if there are stores to support its sale. I make those rolls, thank you. The stores and other buildings that list a certain number of items (minor, etc.) will always have an item of that level. And on top of that, during each month’s Income phase, you can roll an Economy check, with a DC based on the value of the item, to see if it sells…which then generates BP for the kingdom. Think of BP, in this respect, as economic activity of a productive nature. So if the Herbalist ladies sell a potion in a given month, that will generate 2BP for the kingdom…for you guys to spend.

Again, don’t get hung up on the ‘reality’ of BPs and such – it’s abstract, and yet makes a lot of sense if you think in macroeconomic terms & concepts. I’ll leave it at that. Trust me!

Finally, I need to go back and make sure that all the kingdom stats are correct. I think they are; I just want to make sure.

And finally, finally, technically you guys are Barons, not kings. You don’t become kings until you his *81 * hexes. So cool your jets, Barons of the Kingdom of Mistmarch. Wait ’til Grigoryi gets wind of that one!

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I think I just decided to drop to Chaotic Evil, time to rule with an iron fist! So what if there is a Magic Item, it’s ours, we’ll just take it;-)

Kidding, of course…

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Sir Anton sits in his quarters quietly brooding over the headache that has become his life. In his hands he holds his crown- which was once that of a king and now merely a baron. He places it on his troubled brow and looks in the steel mirror. He has aged dramatically since coming to the Narlmarches. Upon the table in his suite lies the bags of gold coin borrowed from his parents. All the blood, sweat, and tears that have gone into building what he thought was a kingdom—and for what?!? To be ridiculed publicly by some nobody from nowhere here on his own doorstep!
His reflected image darkens dramatically as he pictures himself dropping the circlet onto his throne, taking the gold and riding back north.
Life was so much simpler and so much more fulfilling before he took on the the crown that now threatens to crush him beneath its weight.
A long drawn-out sigh as his eyes meet those of the reflection, “Is this all for naught?” “All I would truly miss are my brothers-in-arms…”
Sir Anton removes the crown from his brow and takes his sword on his way out of the keep.

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…and then?

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…Akiros, coming in from an evening of observing the City Watch, greets Anton, and noticing his grim expression, stops him. “M’lord, what is it?” he asks as he subtely positions himself between Anton and the door. Years of training and experience as a paladin, and his service as a guard have given Akiros a keen eye for expressions, postures, and mannerisms that beg attention, and his king shows them all right now.

“Shall I fetch you some ale, M’Lord? I have some reports I’d like to share with you.”

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“I’ve not a taste for ale, Lord Akiros…” Anton’s voice trails off as he notices the regal bearing of the man before him. Such an upstanding man, faithful in his duties, willing to serve, valiant, a natural born leader… “I’ve been wondering…what is your hat size, Lord Akiros?”

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Iooked again at the treasury… There is over 7000 gp in cash. I can enhance anyone’s weapons and armor that doesn’t have magic on it yet. It will take 1 day per item. 1000 per weapon, and 500 per suit of armor. I don’t need any further magic till 6th level, at which point I can bump enhancements up to +2. Is like to invest in a scroll or 2 of keen edge so I can make my spear a little more deadly.

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During one of the few times Zion joined his fellow rulers at.the dinner table. "Yet one more person is going against Antons delicate senses, and be is going to hack them apart? A delicate touch is needed. Either publicly show that fez head is a fraud in the public square, or put him on trial. By killing him, the people will begin to fear us and will leave in droves.

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Meta: Zion’s most recent comment actually precedes Anton talking to himself in the mirror and meeting Akiros. The dinner is on that first evening back. Pik heads off to disguise himself and spy on Grigoryi. Zion retreats to his room after dinner to brood and read. Anton does what those comments said he did, and then he runs into Akiros. Kincaid….what is Kincaid up to? I have no idea. He’s a union spymaster, which means he’s probably on a mandatory break.

Anyway, I am going to start a new post to address developments as they pick up after dinner/Pik’s expedition/Anton’s movements.

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I believe Anton’s perception is the lowest of the group- so to go against his “delicate” senses takes quite a bit of getting noticed.
And as far as hacking people apart goes- I haven’t heard any objections to my hacking other enemies apart. In fact, you might have a few more scars yourself there, color boy. Are Kincaid and Anton the only ones with the balls to do what needs to be done around here anymore? You people grow soft under the gold that holds your hair back!
If this is what fezhead will face in the way of debate, we might as well surrender now and get it overwith. It would be less embarrassing in the long run.

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So what do you do the first time an actual citizen complains about something? I want this guy gone as much as you do, however if we put this fear into our citizens about speaking their minds, they will rise up against us and tear down what we have worked so hard to build.
Your sword in the wilderness is an asset, my, or pik’s wits will be of best use here, or the courts. We need more information on this grigory guy before we mete out justice.

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“HE IS NOT A CITIZEN. He’s not from here, nor did he move here. He is here to stir trouble only.”
“I agree with you on the diplomacy tactic. However, while we sit here debating the issue, he foments discord- which is, by the way, a crime.”
“As it turns out, we are still vassels of Rostland and owe them allegiance. So, according to Rostland custom and law, honor is often defended with a blade. These people are subjects of Rostland and as such would expect no less of their rulers than to defend their honor. Alas, there are less than 2 days remaining before the problem is solved one way or the other.”
“My appologies, my brother, for my outburst and out-of-line remarks before, but for one such as I, the slight to our honor is not easily shrugged. Thank you for your wise words. I will endeavor to put this aside for now.”
After shaking hands with Zion, Sir Anton exits through the door of the keep leading to the practice yards where he will do his best to shred yet another practice dummy in an attempt to keep from chopping apart any unfortunate souls.

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Pik has taken the time to disguise himself, and will share the following with his fellow “Kings”:

Pik is able to disguise himself, using both clothes on hand and magic, to resemble a wholly unremarkable young teenage human boy. He is able to quickly make it across town to the Kings’ Inn, where Grigoryi is apparently staying, and using as something of a homebase while in Misthaven. A small crowd is seated around him, and others stand around them, while he listens to their complaints and adds his ideas to the conversation, very effectively stirring the pot by affirming their perceived problems, and suggesting others they may have not yet considered. The inn, as is typical on such a night, is mostly full, and probably about 20 people are actively involved in the group.
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Pik is able to find a seat on the other side of the room, still within earshot of the conversation. The only local of note who is there is the blacksmith, Klaussenberg, who sits with his arms crossed and wears a wry smile on his face as he listens. He makes no comments, but does ask some rather specific questions of Grigoryi and a few others who speak, asking that they clarify their complaints and produce evidence to support them. He only asks a few questions – none of them confrontational – and tends to only nod and maintain his slight smile as the others answer.
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Using Detect Magic, Pik is able to determine with certainty that Grigoryi is the source of a faint aura of divination, which is focused on the people in front of him.
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With that information, I take away the following: I believe Grigoryi has access to some form of magic maybe Bardic or Arcane? His pattern seems to include him going out to the square everyday at Noon… So, I plan to go out there, unannounced, and begin the Diplomatic discussion. What I would ask of you guys is that you insert yourself throughout the crowd, and attempt to turn them to our side with your skills. In addition, I believe we need to invite many from the town to join us, to hear this discussion. Depending on the outcome, if I fail my rolls, and am not able to make a good showing, and/or it does not stop the Circus that is Grigoryi, then I believe Anton should throw the gauntlet and challenge him to an honorable contest.

Thoughts?

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I say you also those down a some of truth… Only those who will submit to the zone of truth will be allowed to debate, otherwise, if you do not submit to zone of truth, you will be known as a liar and ejected from the debate..

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Anton agrees and will stand within the crowd in full cavalier and noble regalia, brooding over the upcoming confrontation, leaning on his sword hilt, holding his gauntlets ready in his hand and throwing in bits about Rostland law and honor to assure those assembled that he would be well within his rights to just cleave the ninny. All the while grumbling about being asked to wait while his friends attempt to give fezhead a chance to explain himself.
In this, he makes a show of restraint in the face of ridiculous accusations while the others do what NO Rostlander would do- give him a fair trial. Anton studies the crowd for pro/con reaction to the whole ridiculous affair and makes note of which citizens are with fezhead and which are loyal. This way, those loyal to us may be rewarded. And those who aren’t, well, let’
s just say, “I feel sorry for them.”

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party pooper!

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